The AMD Ryzen 7 5800X3D Review: 96 MB of L3 3D V-Cache Designed For Gamersby Gavin Bonshor on June 30, 2022 8:00 AM EST
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The level of competition in the desktop CPU market has rarely been as intensive as it has been over the last couple of years. When AMD brought its Ryzen processors to market, it forced Intel to reply, and both have consistently battled in multiple areas, including core count, IPC performance, frequency, and ultimate performance. The constant race to improve products, stay ahead of the competition, and meet customers' changing needs has also sent the two companies off of the beaten paths at times, developing even wilder technologies in search of that competitive edge.
In the case of AMD, one such development effort has culminated with 3D V-Cache packaging technology, which stacks a layer of L3 cache on top of the existing CCD's L3 cache. Owing to the fact that while additional cache is beneficial to performance, large quantities of SRAM are, well, large, AMD has been working on how to place more L3 cache on a CPU chiplet without blowing out the die size altogether. The end result of that has been the stacked V-Cache technology, which allows the additional cache to be separately fabbed and then carefully placed on top of a chip to be used as part of a processor.
For the consumer market, AMD's first V-Cache equipped product is the Ryzen 7 5800X3D. Pitched as the fastest gaming processor on the market today, AMD's unique chip offers eight cores/sixteen threads of processing power, and a whopping 96 MB of L3 cache onboard. Essentially building on top of the already established Ryzen 7 5800X processor, the aim from AMD is that the additional L3 cache on the 5800X3D will take gaming performance to the next level – all for around $100 more than the 5800X.
With AMD's new gaming chip in hand, we've put the Ryzen 7 5800X3D through CPU suite and gaming tests to see if it is as good as AMD claims it is.
AMD Ryzen 7 58003XD: Now With 3D V-Cache
Previously announced at CES 2022, the Ryzen 7 58003XD is probably the most interesting of all of its Ryzen based chips to launch since Zen debuted in 2017. The reason is that the Ryzen 7 5800X3D uses AMD's own 3D V-Cache packaging technology that essentially plants a 64 MB layer of L3 cache on top of the existing 32 MB of L3 cache that the Ryzen 7 5800X has.
To outline the framework of the 3D V-Cache, AMD is using a direct copper-to-copper bonding process, with the additional layer of 64 MB L3 cache stacked on top of the existing 32 MB L3 cache on the die. AMD claims this increases gaming performance by 15% on average when comparing the Ryzen 9 5900X (12c/16t) to a 12-core 3D chiplet prototype chip. Whether AMD's claim is based solely on the 12-core design or if this level of performance increase is linear when using fewer cores is hard to determine.
It is clear that 3D V-Cache and its innovative bonding technique, which fuses additional L3 cache on top of existing L3 cache, is an interesting way to deliver solid performance gains, given how crucial L3 cache levels can be for specific game titles. AMD also claims that the large levels of L3 cache improve performance in multi-threaded workloads such as video encoding.
The design of the Vertical (V) Cache is based on the same TSMC 7 nm manufacturing process as the CCD, with a thinning process that is part of TSMC's technologies designed to negate any thermal complications that would arise. Bridging the gap between the 32 MB of on-die L3 cache and the vertically stacked 64 MB of L3 Cache is a base of structural silicon, with the direct copper to copper bonding and connected by silicon VIAs and TSVs.
Looking at where it positions itself in the stack, the Ryzen 7 5800X3D is unequivocally the same price as the Ryzen 9 5900X, which benefits from four additional Zen 3 cores, as well as eight additional threads. The Ryzen 7 5800X3D does have a lower base frequency than the Ryzen 7 5800X by 400 MHz, with a 200 MHz lower turbo frequency. This will likely be a power limiting factor as the additional L3 cache will generate power.
|AMD Ryzen 5000 Series Processors for Desktop (>$200)
Zen 3 Microarchitecture (Non-Pro, 65W+)
|Ryzen 9 5950X||16||32||3400||4900||64 MB||-||4.0||105 W||$590|
|Ryzen 9 5900X||12||24||3700||4800||64 MB||-||4.0||105 W||$450|
|Ryzen 9 5900||12||24||3000||4700||64 MB||-||4.0||65 W||OEM|
|Ryzen 7 5800X3D||8||16||3400||4500||96 MB||-||4.0||105 W||$449|
|Ryzen 7 5800X||8||16||3800||4700||32 MB||-||4.0||105 W||$350|
|Ryzen 7 5800||8||16||3400||4600||32 MB||-||4.0||65 W||OEM|
|Ryzen 7 5700X||8||16||3400||4600||32 MB||-||4.0||65 W||$299|
|Ryzen 5 5600X||6||12||3700||4600||32 MB||-||4.0||65 W||$230|
As the 3D V-Cache is primarily designed to improve performance in game titles, the new chip isn't too far from the Ryzen 7 5800X in regards to raw compute throughput. There will be a slight advantage to the Ryzen 7 5800X and Ryzen 9 5900X in this area with higher core frequencies on both models. Still, as I've previously mentioned, the real bread and butter will be in gaming performance or at least games that will benefit and utilize the extra levels of L3 cache.
AMD Ryzen 7 5800X3D: Overclocking Support for Memory, But not the Core
Although the Ryzen 7 5800X3D supports memory overclocking and allows users to overclock the Infinity Fabric interconnect to supplement this, AMD has disabled core overclocking, which makes it incompatible with AMD's Precision Boost Overclocking feature. This has disappointed a lot of users, but it is a trade-off associated with the 3D V-Cache.
Specifically, the limitations in overclocking come down to voltage limitations ( 1.35 V VCore) through the use of its packaging technology. The dense V-cache dies, it would seem, can't handle extra juice as well as the L3 cache already built into the Zen 3 chiplets.
As a result, in lieu of CPU overclocking, the biggest thing a user can do to influence higher performance with the Ryzen 7 5800X3D is to use faster DDR4 memory with lower latencies, such as a good DDR4-3600 kit. These settings are also the known sweet spot for AMD's Infinity Fabric Interconnect as set out by AMD.
Looking at the state of the desktop processor market as it is now, and by the end of the year, things look promising for users with plenty of choices available. The primary battle right now in gaming performance comes down to AMD's Ryzen 7 5800X3D ($450) and Intel's 12th Gen Core series options, with the Core i9-12900K leading the charge for team Intel.
Perhaps the most interesting debate is when it comes to buying a new processor, as both the current generational offerings from both AMD and Intel offer superb gaming performance on the whole. It's tough to select a mainstream desktop processor that doesn't work well with most graphics cards, and outside pairing up a flagship chip with a flagship video card, it will most likely come down to performance in compute, productivity, and content creation applications. We know that AMD is releasing its latest Zen 4 core later on this year, and we have come to expect advancements and progression in IPC performance.
The AMD Ryzen 7 5800X3D with its 3D V-Cache is new and exciting, and specifically for gaming performance, the battle for the title of 'fastest gaming processor' is ever-changing. Based on the existing AM4 platform, AMD has given users a leading-edge design in a familiar platform, but the biggest challenge will be in making true of AMD's claims, and that's what we aim to do in this review.
Finally, regardless of how the 5800X3D does today, AMD's stacked V-cache technology is not a one-and-done offering. AMD recently announced there will be a Zen 4 variation with 3D V-Cache at some point during the cycle, as well as announcing the same for Zen 5, which is expected in 2024.
For our testing, we are using the following:
|Ryzen Test System (DDR4)|
|CPU||Ryzen 7 5800X3D ($450)
8 Cores, 16 Threads
105W TDP, 3.4 GHz Base, 4.5 GHz Turbo
|Motherboard||ASUS ROG Crosshair VIII Extreme (X570)|
2x32 GB DDR4-3200
|Cooling||MSI Coreliquid 360mm AIO|
|Storage||Crucial MX300 1TB|
|Power Supply||Corsair HX850|
|GPUs||NVIDIA RTX 2080 Ti, Driver 496.49|
|Operating Systems||Windows 11 Up to Date|
For comparison, all other chips were run as tests listed in our benchmark database, Bench, on Windows 10 and 11 (for the more recent processors).
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nandnandnand - Thursday, June 30, 2022 - linkGreat results for the 5800X3D in Dwarf Fortress and Factorio. Clearly it does not have enough cache for the World Gen 257x257 test.
dorion - Thursday, June 30, 2022 - linkIt shows the exceptional predictors in Intel's architecture, they don't have 96MB of L3 cache either(duh) and yet they whip that world generator. Wonder what odd coding of Tarn's the CPUs are butting against. And exceptional amount of civilizations and monsters to simulate for 550 years in the 257x257 world?
AndreaSussman - Sunday, July 31, 2022 - linkHello
Samus - Thursday, June 30, 2022 - linkAlso impressive is how much the cache improves WinRAR performance. Going from last to 2nd place - with a lower clock speed
nandnandnand - Thursday, June 30, 2022 - linkCompared to some of the earliest reviews like Tom's, this one found more productivity/code scenarios where the extra cache helps it edge out over the 5800X, despite the lower clock speed. Obviously there are niches where the 5800X3D will do really well, like the workloads that Milan-X can boost by >50%. You won't usually see them all in one review.
DanNeely - Sunday, July 3, 2022 - linkWinRAR has always been extremely dependent on memory performance. That a huge cache benefits it isn't a big surprise.
emn13 - Monday, July 11, 2022 - linkSure, but it's more than just memory performance that's an issue here: in very abstract principle compressors need to find correlation across broad swaths of memory. It's actually not at all obvious whether that's cache-friendly; and indeed in 7-zip it appears not to be.
After all, if your compression context significantly exceeds the L3 cache, then that cache will largely be useless. Conversely, if your window (almost) fits within the smaller L3-cache, then increasing its size is likely largely useless.
The fact that this helps WinRAR but not 7-zip is not obvious. Given the compression ratio differences, I'm going to assume that 7-zip is using more context, and thus can't benefit from "just" 96MB of cache. And perhaps that WinRAR at higher settings (if it has any?) wouldn't either.
That does make me curious how the 3d-vcache impacts the more high-throughput compressors such as zstd or even lz4 perhaps.
brucethemoose - Friday, July 1, 2022 - linkJust wanna say I am ecstatic over the DF/Factorio tests. Stuff like that is where I'm most critically CPU bottlenecked these days, as opposed to CPU Blender or Battlefield at 720p.
I'd like to suggest Minecraft chunk generation as another test (though its a bit tricky to set up). Expansive strategy/sim games like Starsector, Rimworld, Stellaris and such would also be great to test, but I don't think they're fully automatable.
29a - Tuesday, July 5, 2022 - linkI’d also be interested in a Stellaris benchmark.
ballsystemlord - Thursday, June 30, 2022 - link@Gavin , is it just me, or do you have two sets of identical WoT Benchmarks at 1080p? BTW: I'm looking at the print view.