Ryan, I recomand to make the chart with common cells when cards share the same specs. This makes the chart readability much easier and differences easier to spot.
Anandtech has been my main source for hardware reviews since the release of the Radeon 9500/9700 somewhere around 2002. But since Anand left and the site has been sold, I had a feelings things were going down hill. Now with the release of the new Nvidia Pascal cards I've been coming back daily to Anandtech for weeks in anticipation of the big review. So far to no avail. Maybe I am impatient and everybody is doing the biggest graphics card review ever. Please make it happen, don't let this great site down :)
Not just no reviews for the Pascal cards, there has been literally zero news on the Galaxy S7, the HTC 10, and they only just released a review for the LG G5...
To just give some context, the S7 was released over 3 months ago, and we only got a Part 1. The GTX1080 released almost a month ago, and we got just a preview and some basic benchmarks. The GTX 1070 was 2 weeks ago and we have heard literally nothing from it.
HTC 10 was over a month ago as well. I understand finals for Joshua, but 3 months for finals?
Hire new writers. A kid answering an exam is not an excuse. You can only delay a review so much, after that it's not worth it. I get it, he had exams, but don't take up a task if you can't get it done.
That is probably the biggest change I have seen - I always remember being so impressed with the comments that I would often go first to the bottom of an article to read the well enunciated and educated comments and questions.
Fair question to ask, other reviews have been "promised" several times over and never materialized. Still no 960 review for instance. This is still my favorite site, and the first I log into every day but the lack of content has been getting worse and worse.....best writers, best technical analysis but that doesn't count for much when there is no content to view.
They also promised a AMD Excavator analysis months ago. It's obvious these reviews won't be published anymore. I wonder how many people work for Anandtech at the moment. Feels like there's no more than three of you working there and that's at most (and working only part time).
Risk becoming irrelevant when you wait so long. Might as well review the 950 too, if we're talking about reviewing cards that everyone site save this one has already reviewed.
I really hope you guys don't plan on reviewing ANY AMD cards for at least a month after release just like 1080/1070. How much does AMD pay to stop/delay an NV review these days Ryan? ;) The first die shrink in ages and it takes more than a month to get a card from a shop or user etc? Really? Anandtech Broke all the sudden? NO friends to loan a card in PC shops etc? I'm guessing polaris reviews hit the second NDA goes up...LOL. AMD portal site...UGH. Is there another major site on the web WITHOUT a review of 1080? Most places have MULTIPLE reviews up now. Heck, hardocp has OC reviews comparing the founders 1080/1070. They are re-reviewing cards now sort of...ROFL. 1070 original review went up a 3 weeks ago (and a preview before that too), never mind the 1080's. They already had a 1070 oc review also, and now testing with new patches for the 1080/1070 OC comparison review (for dx12). So...Holy crap guys. One week is bad. One month is ridiculous. More than that and it's hard not to say AMD Portal site in the same sentence, especially when so many reviews, re-reviews, new patches/OC reviews etc are up. Guru3d has nearly a dozen different 1080/1070 articles (reviews of 3-4 cards each, frame pacing review, 2 way sli)...I mean c'mon. I don't know how many writers Hilbert has, but he is the ONLY name on all of them...LOL.
"Anyhow, we’ll be back later this week with our full review of the GeForce GTX 1080, so be sure to stay tuned."
So we can expect a review about Q4? LOL. It better take you 5+ weeks to get up AMD reviews :(
So POSTED when exactly? What about 1070? Pffft...Too harsh? At this point, if you don't expect flak, you're not living in reality. You are a hardware review site right? First gpu shrink in literally YEARS, and it only merits a preview. Hmm..
Vac P100... never gets stuck, just needs recharging every 10 minutes :-) Maybe some derivates with significantly lower power consumption in future, but not P100... imho
I was hoping that they'd use NVLink across the tops of the cards, similar to SLI. Nvidia must really want to distinguish the high-dollar mezzanine boards as the only way to get NVLink.
Rumor mongering I've seen elsewhere has claimed that P100 is pure compute and found the space for max 64bit float support by removing all the extra bits needed for actually being a GPU. Supposedly a P102 is in the works that will have a similar core count to the P100, but drop most of the FP64 capabiltities in favor of the TMUs, ROPs, etc needed for a general purpose GPU.
If true that would kinda leave parts of the Quadro market hanging since the top tier cards under that brand have generally had both workstation GFX support and enhanced FP64 compute for engineering analysis/etc needed to figure out what should be rendered in the first place.
Huh. Only 9 TFLOPS of single-precision would actually make a new Titan pretty unlikely at this rate, right? I didn't expect it to be cut down so much from the original GP100 specs, and at that rate it's not much better than the 1080, unless they make a new Pascal board that's focused on single-precision the way Maxwell was, and I don't think they'd do that before going to a whole new architecture.
I'm not clear on whether their engineering process actually accommodates something like that -- I can see ditching the double-precision compute outright and making a cut-down board, but I'm not sure they can replace them with single-precision cores as part of the same generation. We'll see.
There are a lot of leaks that suggest GP102 will be the basis for the next Titan/1080Ti. It's rumored to have the same number of FP32 cores as GP100, but its FP64 ratio is limited to 1/32 like GP104.
Considering that GM200 never showed up in a laptop, I would not expect GP100 to ever show up either. Gx104 is about as big/power-hungry as you want to get in a confined space.
Rackmount servers have a large array of fans already built in. The components themselves just need heatsinks, and the server's fans move the air from front to back.
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T1beriu - Monday, June 20, 2016 - link
Chart has a typo - both PCI cards have 16GB.Ryan, I recomand to make the chart with common cells when cards share the same specs. This makes the chart readability much easier and differences easier to spot.
amayii - Monday, June 20, 2016 - link
Anandtech has been my main source for hardware reviews since the release of the Radeon 9500/9700 somewhere around 2002. But since Anand left and the site has been sold, I had a feelings things were going down hill. Now with the release of the new Nvidia Pascal cards I've been coming back daily to Anandtech for weeks in anticipation of the big review. So far to no avail. Maybe I am impatient and everybody is doing the biggest graphics card review ever. Please make it happen, don't let this great site down :)RaichuPls - Monday, June 20, 2016 - link
Not just no reviews for the Pascal cards, there has been literally zero news on the Galaxy S7, the HTC 10, and they only just released a review for the LG G5...RaichuPls - Monday, June 20, 2016 - link
To just give some context, the S7 was released over 3 months ago, and we only got a Part 1. The GTX1080 released almost a month ago, and we got just a preview and some basic benchmarks. The GTX 1070 was 2 weeks ago and we have heard literally nothing from it.HTC 10 was over a month ago as well. I understand finals for Joshua, but 3 months for finals?
hans_ober - Monday, June 20, 2016 - link
Hire new writers. A kid answering an exam is not an excuse. You can only delay a review so much, after that it's not worth it. I get it, he had exams, but don't take up a task if you can't get it done.close - Monday, June 20, 2016 - link
Actually the 1070 was launched 10 days today if I remember correctly. It may look like I'm nitpicking but a 40% error is pretty big ;).Reader quality also dropped a lot, in case you were wondering.
Impulses - Monday, June 20, 2016 - link
Reader quality plummeted by 63%.shabby - Monday, June 20, 2016 - link
That is 43% accurate...SkiBum1207 - Monday, June 20, 2016 - link
That is probably the biggest change I have seen - I always remember being so impressed with the comments that I would often go first to the bottom of an article to read the well enunciated and educated comments and questions.Where did those people go? I miss those days...
Fallen Kell - Monday, June 20, 2016 - link
Don't know where they went, but I would probably follow if I knew....RaichuPls - Tuesday, June 21, 2016 - link
It was launched 10 days ago, but I believe the NDA for it was well over 2 weeks agoHOOfan 1 - Thursday, June 23, 2016 - link
the NDA lifted and most other sites put up reviews for the 1070 on May 29rtho782 - Tuesday, June 21, 2016 - link
We still haven't had the GTX960 review, so I guess the GTX1080 review is a way off...But they've got tons of reviews on random phones nobody cares about!
ZeDestructor - Tuesday, June 21, 2016 - link
I dunno man.. 3 years on and there's still no part 2 of the S3500 review...Ryan Smith - Monday, June 20, 2016 - link
You can take it easy. The GTX 1080 review will be posted.amayii - Monday, June 20, 2016 - link
Thank you! :)justaviking - Monday, June 20, 2016 - link
Yeah, but WHEN???fanofanand - Monday, June 20, 2016 - link
Fair question to ask, other reviews have been "promised" several times over and never materialized. Still no 960 review for instance. This is still my favorite site, and the first I log into every day but the lack of content has been getting worse and worse.....best writers, best technical analysis but that doesn't count for much when there is no content to view.ImSpartacus - Monday, June 20, 2016 - link
I'm surprised that we never got a 960 review. How odd.milli - Monday, June 20, 2016 - link
They also promised a AMD Excavator analysis months ago. It's obvious these reviews won't be published anymore. I wonder how many people work for Anandtech at the moment. Feels like there's no more than three of you working there and that's at most (and working only part time).utroz - Monday, June 20, 2016 - link
Yes what about the FM2+ Excavator X4 845 analysis? Or are you "waiting" on the AM4 version Bristol Ridge?? Come on guys..ianmills - Monday, June 20, 2016 - link
Sometime before the rapture. Have faith my son!shabby - Monday, June 20, 2016 - link
And the 1070 review?Ryan Smith - Monday, June 20, 2016 - link
Yes, and the 1070 review.kael13 - Monday, June 20, 2016 - link
Where's that Retina Macbook Pro review, huh? ;PI kid, I kid. Say, are you hiring?
HighTech4US - Monday, June 20, 2016 - link
Quote: The GTX 1080 review will be posted.and that will be when exactly?
Beararam - Monday, June 20, 2016 - link
Risk becoming irrelevant when you wait so long. Might as well review the 950 too, if we're talking about reviewing cards that everyone site save this one has already reviewed.TheJian - Monday, June 20, 2016 - link
I really hope you guys don't plan on reviewing ANY AMD cards for at least a month after release just like 1080/1070. How much does AMD pay to stop/delay an NV review these days Ryan? ;) The first die shrink in ages and it takes more than a month to get a card from a shop or user etc? Really? Anandtech Broke all the sudden? NO friends to loan a card in PC shops etc? I'm guessing polaris reviews hit the second NDA goes up...LOL. AMD portal site...UGH. Is there another major site on the web WITHOUT a review of 1080? Most places have MULTIPLE reviews up now. Heck, hardocp has OC reviews comparing the founders 1080/1070. They are re-reviewing cards now sort of...ROFL. 1070 original review went up a 3 weeks ago (and a preview before that too), never mind the 1080's. They already had a 1070 oc review also, and now testing with new patches for the 1080/1070 OC comparison review (for dx12). So...Holy crap guys. One week is bad. One month is ridiculous. More than that and it's hard not to say AMD Portal site in the same sentence, especially when so many reviews, re-reviews, new patches/OC reviews etc are up. Guru3d has nearly a dozen different 1080/1070 articles (reviews of 3-4 cards each, frame pacing review, 2 way sli)...I mean c'mon. I don't know how many writers Hilbert has, but he is the ONLY name on all of them...LOL."Anyhow, we’ll be back later this week with our full review of the GeForce GTX 1080, so be sure to stay tuned."
So we can expect a review about Q4? LOL. It better take you 5+ weeks to get up AMD reviews :(
So POSTED when exactly? What about 1070? Pffft...Too harsh? At this point, if you don't expect flak, you're not living in reality. You are a hardware review site right? First gpu shrink in literally YEARS, and it only merits a preview. Hmm..
Luminair - Monday, June 20, 2016 - link
which chart has the typo?this one? http://www.anandtech.com/Gallery/Album/4926#12
or this one? http://www.nvidia.com/object/tesla-p100.html
ImSpartacus - Monday, June 20, 2016 - link
If both the pcie p200 and pcie p100 had the same 16gb of vram, then they would be identical.close - Monday, June 20, 2016 - link
Ever wondered how come the Memory Bus Width is different between the 2 cards?HighTech4US - Monday, June 20, 2016 - link
fusing off a bad ram stack or controller causes the difference.Assimilator87 - Monday, June 20, 2016 - link
So when will we start seeing robot vacuums with P100 so they can use all this amazing deep learning stuff to avoid getting stuck?HollyDOL - Thursday, June 23, 2016 - link
Vac P100... never gets stuck, just needs recharging every 10 minutes :-)Maybe some derivates with significantly lower power consumption in future, but not P100... imho
Assimilator87 - Monday, June 20, 2016 - link
Will the PCI-E versions of P100 be limited to 2 way SLI as well?DanNeely - Monday, June 20, 2016 - link
AFAIK these are pure compute cards. No video out capabilities, so no need for, or use with SLI.Eidigean - Monday, June 20, 2016 - link
I was hoping that they'd use NVLink across the tops of the cards, similar to SLI. Nvidia must really want to distinguish the high-dollar mezzanine boards as the only way to get NVLink.Eidigean - Monday, June 20, 2016 - link
I suspect we'll see a dual GP100 card eventually with NVLink between them; sharing a PEX 8747 out to PCIe.abrowne1993 - Monday, June 20, 2016 - link
Think we can expect a Titan P (or Y or whatever) announcement soon?Impulses - Monday, June 20, 2016 - link
Titan XZY Turboextide - Monday, June 20, 2016 - link
Titan P, possibly, and then SUMMIT for Volta.DanNeely - Monday, June 20, 2016 - link
Rumor mongering I've seen elsewhere has claimed that P100 is pure compute and found the space for max 64bit float support by removing all the extra bits needed for actually being a GPU. Supposedly a P102 is in the works that will have a similar core count to the P100, but drop most of the FP64 capabiltities in favor of the TMUs, ROPs, etc needed for a general purpose GPU.If true that would kinda leave parts of the Quadro market hanging since the top tier cards under that brand have generally had both workstation GFX support and enhanced FP64 compute for engineering analysis/etc needed to figure out what should be rendered in the first place.
axfelix - Monday, June 20, 2016 - link
Huh. Only 9 TFLOPS of single-precision would actually make a new Titan pretty unlikely at this rate, right? I didn't expect it to be cut down so much from the original GP100 specs, and at that rate it's not much better than the 1080, unless they make a new Pascal board that's focused on single-precision the way Maxwell was, and I don't think they'd do that before going to a whole new architecture.Qwertilot - Monday, June 20, 2016 - link
That is seemingly the expectation - something bigger than GP104, smaller than this but purely gaming dedicated.Like they speculated here a bit back, seemingly enough market for the compute things to stand alone.
Of course maybe they want to go back to titans with dual precision compute :)
axfelix - Monday, June 20, 2016 - link
I'm not clear on whether their engineering process actually accommodates something like that -- I can see ditching the double-precision compute outright and making a cut-down board, but I'm not sure they can replace them with single-precision cores as part of the same generation. We'll see.dragonsqrrl - Tuesday, June 21, 2016 - link
There are a lot of leaks that suggest GP102 will be the basis for the next Titan/1080Ti. It's rumored to have the same number of FP32 cores as GP100, but its FP64 ratio is limited to 1/32 like GP104.Hrel - Monday, June 20, 2016 - link
Man, I just wanna know when I can buy a laptop with this GPU in it. Preferably MSI or Gigabyte.Ryan Smith - Monday, June 20, 2016 - link
Considering that GM200 never showed up in a laptop, I would not expect GP100 to ever show up either. Gx104 is about as big/power-hungry as you want to get in a confined space.DonMiguel85 - Monday, June 20, 2016 - link
Heck, we still don't have the promised GTX 960 and 950 reviews.Phattio - Monday, June 20, 2016 - link
slightly ot: at what point will PCIe 3.0 be the bottleneck and we'll have to buy PCIe 4.0 equipped MBs?Ryan Smith - Tuesday, June 21, 2016 - link
It depends on the task. It's already a bottleneck for some compute workloads, hence technologies like NVLink.Phattio - Tuesday, June 21, 2016 - link
thanks!boeush - Tuesday, June 21, 2016 - link
Could someone please explain how a 250W card might work with *passive* cooling?Ryan Smith - Tuesday, June 21, 2016 - link
Rackmount servers have a large array of fans already built in. The components themselves just need heatsinks, and the server's fans move the air from front to back.https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/c/c...
boeush - Wednesday, June 22, 2016 - link
Huh. Makes sense. I guess there won't be many (or any?) workstations coming out featuring support for these accelerators...bobsmith1492 - Thursday, October 20, 2016 - link
You can make it work... we 3D printed an air channel with a 300CFM 200mm fan at the end to pull air out from the back of the card on our K80.