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  • limitedaccess - Thursday, April 23, 2020 - link

    Are the random IOPs specs for the P2 correct?
  • limitedaccess - Thursday, April 23, 2020 - link

    Sequential write is lower for the 500GB as well.
  • Billy Tallis - Thursday, April 23, 2020 - link

    If it's a mistake, it's one that Crucial has repeated on three completely different documents.
  • twtech - Thursday, April 23, 2020 - link

    It's also interesting that the 500GB only costs $10 more than the 250GB. Maybe they cut some additional corners on that model even over its smaller sibling.
  • eek2121 - Thursday, April 23, 2020 - link

    We really need more competition for NAND chip manufacturing.

    I also wish we could take a leap forward when it comes to PCIE based storage. Not only are we limited by PCIE lanes, but also by capacity and drive count (except in servers with the right hardware.)
  • Adramtech - Thursday, April 23, 2020 - link

    8 NAND companies isn't enough?
  • Billy Tallis - Thursday, April 23, 2020 - link

    I count 5 plus YMTC as an up and comer. Even if you include them and count Kioxia and WD separately despite their fab partnership, I don't see how you get to 8 NAND suppliers. Are you accidentally including one of the companies that only makes low-capacity flash chips for embedded applications?
  • Adramtech - Sunday, August 2, 2020 - link

    My bad, Seven. Samsung, SK Hynix, Micron, Intel, Kioxia, WDC, YMTC
  • ikjadoon - Thursday, April 23, 2020 - link

    What's the P5 MSRP?

    The high-end TLC SSD market has been dropping in price ever so gently: a 500 GB 970 EVO Plus (with ~1 GB/s TLC sequential writes) bounces between $109 to $119 retail. A half-terabyte of consistently fast storage for...not an absurd price.

    The Samsung premium exists..but it's not as wide as I used to remember. Or maybe Samsung is just discounting the year-old 970 EVO Plus now?
  • XabanakFanatik - Thursday, April 23, 2020 - link

    Considering you can get the competitive WD SN750 1TB for $122 right now vs. the 970 Evo Plus 1TB at $220, the Samsung markup is still significant.
  • The_Assimilator - Thursday, April 23, 2020 - link

    The Samsung markup is still ridiculous, considering the (non-)performance you get.
  • Retycint - Friday, April 24, 2020 - link

    So many people buy Samsung SSDs based on the brand name alone, which is rather sad because similarly performing drives often cost 50-80% of a Samsung drive, but they aren't as well known so people usually don't consider them.
  • Cliff34 - Friday, April 24, 2020 - link

    Samsung makes good ssds. It ain't just their name that people are buying.
  • sonny73n - Saturday, April 25, 2020 - link

    “ Samsung makes good ssds”
    That’s what I thought. I got an 512GB 860 Evo for my laptop and 128GB MicroSD for my Android phone. The laptop always get shut down if I download or transfer a large file right after deleting some large file (mostly movies). This is the same shit happened with the 840 evo. And the Micro SD is very annoying. If I transfer a folder of multiple files (Episodes) each ~500MB or larger from PC to my phone, it would only write a few then stop. I have to disconnect the usb cable and reconnect to keep transferring a few more. Transferring files straight to the phone internal storage would have no problem, doesn’t matter how large the file is or how many being transferred.

    Goodbye Samsung - the scumbag that made spy TVs and cheat on benchmarks. No idea why so many people praise their products which are all mediocre with premium price.
  • anad0commenter - Saturday, April 25, 2020 - link

    Samsung is the only manufacturer in the world that still makes consumer level MLC nand SSDs. I literally have no choice.
  • Billy Tallis - Saturday, April 25, 2020 - link

    Sure, you have no choice left after you've already decided to ignore reality and pretend you need MLC.
  • Scour - Friday, March 19, 2021 - link

    HUH, you´re dreaming? 50% of a Samsung drive? And similar performing? Man, dunno where you live but that sound unbelievable
  • back2future - Friday, April 24, 2020 - link

    for e.g. Sabrent Rocket 1TB NVMe-SSD, pcie 4.0, estimated top 4400MB/s write speeds, still ranges behind Samsung 970Evo in random read speeds some tell ("practical difference should be non-existent"). But ... pcie 4.x just started and power/temperature on top speed usage would be interesting also.
  • Tomatotech - Friday, April 24, 2020 - link

    Yes, the Sammy 970s are excellent. If you had paid for one when they first came out TWO YEARS ago, you would still have the world's fastest m.2 (apart from stuff like Optane). They'll probably still be one of the fastest for at least another year, and in three years time they'll still be up there.

    There's a lot more to SSDs than top r/w speed. For example, can it sustain that speed all the way to full capacity? Samsung 970s can, most most others can't do that. Most modern SSDs slow down quite drastically as they fill up. That could become critically important in a workplace environment.

    I don't have 970s; their price doesn't match what I use my SSDs for, but I don't think they're overpriced.
  • otonieru - Saturday, June 13, 2020 - link

    i really envy pricing in your country, sn 750 would cost more than 150 bucks in my country, almost no cheaper than 970 evo :( overhere, the only decent nvme drive equipped with dram with affordable budget is xpg 8200. all other big name are priced ridiculously high
  • brontes - Thursday, April 23, 2020 - link

    I'm love to see new in-house controllers! Even if it's a low end dramless, you have to start somewhere. I always welcome some product differentiation beyond "its another e12/e16" or "samsung."
  • ThortonBe - Thursday, April 23, 2020 - link

    I agree that it is very exciting to see a new controller. The article says the in house controller is in the P5 which does have DRAM.
  • The_Assimilator - Thursday, April 23, 2020 - link

    Seeing a new controller is nice, yes, but unless it actually performs it's not much use.
  • mode_13h - Thursday, April 23, 2020 - link

    I wonder if it'll have end-to-end data protection and RAIN, or if you now have to go to the Micron-branded professional models for that.

    Besides that, let's hope it's priced competitively for its performance. That was a strong selling-point of the MX series (excluding the MX300, which was basically a dud).
  • Adramtech - Thursday, April 23, 2020 - link

    The P5 could be switched to 128L Replacement Gate in the future.
  • Christobevii3 - Thursday, April 23, 2020 - link

    I will never buy another crucial drive. Their support and RMA process is terrible. It is basically impossible to RMA a drive and a huge liability when buying 200 drives at a time for a business.
  • watzupken - Monday, May 4, 2020 - link

    Good to see another alternative. While i don't expect the MSRP to be low, I do hope to see them sell it at a cheaper price in retail market. I also don't feel the lack of PCIE 4 is going to be a show stopper since I don't see a meaningful improvement in real life performance for most users, beyond the increase in seq read/write speed from the transition from PCIE 3 to 4 that we see on benchmarks.
    As for Samsung, while they make good SSDs, they have effectively priced themselves out of the market. In the past, people always look to them for fast SSDs, and willing to pay the premium. With so many good SSDs popping out now, there is little reason to shell out extra money for Samsung drives.
  • Paulone - Friday, May 8, 2020 - link

    I bought 2 for my NAS. There are incompatible.... But P1, yes. Something wrong.

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